The 2 goats I’m most concerned about are males and shouldn’t even be eating grain, plus I feel like even if I got 2 feeders they would still eat all the babies grain. One of my concerns is that the two little ones wont end up as friendly; because usually whenever I go into the field the old wether always runs up to me. The vet assured me that the dogs had inflicted the goatâ s injuries. They have all been together now for about 4 months and the girls, moreso 1 than the other, have singled out one of the boys and seem to always push him away from the herd. Goats are herd animals and need a friend. However, it is a bad idea to have horned and not horned goats together. I have heard of rams fighting until one died, but I have not heard of goats doing that. When a doe is in heat, she can have a discharge that is clear or white. We got two goats 3 years ago and one of them came pregnant. I wouldn’t say anything is impossible, but in every case when someone had a problem like this with an adult goat, they had been playing with the goat inappropriately as a kid because they thought it was cute. If he is the only goat, that’s why he is trying to jump the fence. There is snow on the ground. The kids don’t know that they are only supposed to nurse from their own mom, and if they try to nurse from another mom, she will butt them, bite them, etc. Since they were my only two goats they lived together 24/7. The 2 Nigerian are mother/daughter (both adult). Thank you! Any concerns opinions? Horned goats can be really mean to those without horns because they have an unfair advantage. Also, you need to keep your buck separate so that he doesn’t impregnate the does again too soon — or heaven forbid, impregnate doe kids when they are still too small. what can i do to minimise head injuried? I waited until they were If you doe had tissue hanging out, it sounds the buck tore something with his horns. Love your site , super informative. This is because sheep especially don't fear death, but they do fear separation from the herd. Will he be ok. I have 3 pygmy goats. We are feeding them well and want them to naturally mate. their shared camp is nice and big, but their heads start bleeding from all the head budding. They are all the same size. With the sheep, if he was not castrated, that would have also caused him to be more aggressive. Now that he’s gone, the three Nigerians are constantly trying to figure out who’s boss. But I did have a goat continue fighting one time unless he had a concussion and was staggering around with his eyes going in different directions. That’s what this post is all about. Thanks so much for the response. We have 2 nigerian/toggenburgs that are 6 months old. She’s 10 years old, and has never been breed. Typically, however, the adults are so busy head butting they just ignore the kids. Typically they do that because someone thought it was cute to “butt heads” with them when they were little, so they think it’s an acceptable way to communicate with people. A reputable breeder would NOT have sold you an intact buck and a doe and told you to keep them together. Luckily it’s over when they are not in heat any longer, so it only lasts a day or two. He is 2 years old this month, I’m worried about adding goats. I put her in a kidding pen for a week. He’s just a bit “pushy”!! Sheep and goats are a better match than 2 breeds of goats especially if some are seasonal and others non seasonal breeders. Whenever goats are separated, they need to re-establish their pecking order, and that’s what they’re doing. It’s just the way their social hierarchy works. The younger wether is trying to establish himself by not letting the dwarf wether eat or come into their stall. One doe in particular likes to be dominate. Thank you for your comments I have now separated the Buck from the Does . He’s been in the pen for about a week, and has started to butt the does in the sides. I just got another doe who is around the same age and I have introduced them to each other. I’ve never heard of wethers actually hurting each other, but I never say anything is impossible. Recently one of the purebreds disbudded horn started to bleed but was still intact. also do the nigerian goats know when to go inside their house when they are cold from the wind? This is normal goat behavior. Her eyes were not visibly injured. No one can predict when the does will come into heat, but since it’s fall, which is typically breeding season, they will probably come into heat sooner rather than later. When feeding grain in a pan, it is best to use a fence-line feeder rather than a pan in the middle of the pasture because goats will butt heads over the pan and often wind up running through the pan, knocking it over, and spilling the feed. However, some goats are bullies. This is totally normal. You can start by having them share a fence line for a few days, then put them together. Every stubborn goat assigned to disturb my peace, fall down and die, in the name of Jesus. The two new goats are okay with the doe and will let her in the coop but if our other male comes near it they head butt him away. one boy and one girl. Some bucks are less respectful than others and will drive does crazy constantly trying to mate them, even if they are pregnant already. We have no way to separate them outside! Now check your email to confirm your subscription. I just introduced a new goat to the herd and one goat(who is so gentle with humans and my young children) is bullying so much. 06.23.2014 by thriftyhomesteader // 214 Comments. Make sure they have plenty of room so that the doe is less likely to be able to slam the kid against a wall or something like that. What can I do? Before he got sick they would head butt and challenge each other but this is much worse. The occasionally had but my baby but after a couple head when she stands up for herself & they back off. Recently we put the two with doe’s to cover, but as I dont want the males always with the females i wanted to put the two bucks back together, but they butting heads badly. It has nothing to do with age, and there is no way to avoid it. Any advice? So we still have one to go sometime in March. They are apart at the moment. Donkeys and some horses are known to hate dogs/coyotes/fox, so may be an option if you're interested. The wether and the baby are great together but I don’t want to leave mom completely alone. If these males are bucks rather than wethers (castrated) and some of the other goats are does, that is a much bigger problem, and you need to figure out how to keep them separated. They really need a companion. She even tries to butt them through the panels separating the stalls. They might still try to nurse off another doe, but they can handle a quick butt easier, and they learn quickly by then because they’ve already been nursing off their own mom for awhile. two were two goat … Thank you. Sometimes does get very aggressive when they’re in heat. Thanks for your response. That is not normal behavior for a goat. If the two adults have been separated, however, they might butt heads a little when you put them back together. We will see how they go in a week or so. Rub the goats with your hands, then rub the scent all over your dogs. Should we be concerned? Sometimes that happens when does are in heat. I have heard of horned rams fighting until one died, but not goats. They need to be kept separate from the beginning or the bucks will get the does pregnant MUCH earlier than they should be bred. If he is pushing him against a fence like woven wire or welded wire, he should be fine because the fence is flexible, so he won’t get squashed. Someone has to be the top goat, and they are working that out. Sounds like the goat is a female, so you won’t have to worry about her hormones making her aggressive. they all have horns. If it’s only been a couple of days, they can still work things out. They are both 6 months old. She was very lethargic but pulled through. And also incase the mother goes into labor. Separating your boys will (1) make them very unhappy when they are apart because they are herd animals and need a friend, and (2) cause even worse head butting when you put them back together as they have to establish dominance all over again. Raising Goats Naturally: The Complete Guide to Milk, Meat, and More, https://thriftyhomesteader.com/goats-in-winter/, https://thriftyhomesteader.com/goat-birthing-beginners-guide/, https://thriftyhomesteader.teachable.com/p/goat-breeding. It could be confusing about whose kids are whose if they both kid overnight or when you’re not there. But it is also important that you NOT pet her on top of her head or push on top of her head or anything like that, which would encourage her to butt you. Here is more on goats in winter — In reply to: What killed my goat? Here is more info about goats in winter: We told them to keep a close eye on their dogs to prevent this from happening again. I have 2 goats – both female – they get along 90% of the time but every now and then the one picks on the other so bad she can’t lay down or eat – what should I do? You might want to put them outside so that they can’t slam a kid against the wall. Should I just ignore it? We had all of our goats together for years before we built kidding pens, which were mostly for human convenience. I usually wait until the kids are at least a few days old before putting them with other moms and babies. If they are really thin, you can use hoof trimmers to round them off so that they aren’t pointy. My husband was killed like goat, wife of murdered ex-NNPC staff laments. This is making me nervous about introducing everyone back into the larger pen. Other than taking her to the vet for an official diagnosis, the main thing you need to do is keep her somewhere that she feels safe and doesn’t have much space to run around. It all started again the night he broke into the Does pen. You should not keep a buck with your does because of this type of situation. Help!, We just purchased 2 bucks (9wks old) and getting 2 doe’s (13 wks old) we are planning on breeding them. Does should be 2/3 of their adult weight before being bred. Yahoo fa parte del gruppo Verizon Media. I plan to start locking the pregnant pair up together at night to hopefully prevent some of the abuse they have been suffering from the big female. I have also put it in with my dogs, and they seems to get along. We are currently undergoing a renovation to our shelter with plans to get more goats. We acquired 4 pregnant Boer does the end of December. If you mean that the dominant doe won’t let the other one near the hay feeder, that makes total sense, but don’t worry about it because once the dominant one has her fill, she’ll go lay down to chew her cud, and then the other one can eat. Can we house them together while they are small? Last night we kept him in barn, he would not go into the stall, he was charged every time he attempted to go in, it is a large stall plenty big for goats. They have remained separated from the males but I am trying to slowly introduce them during the daytime. A doe should NOT be bred until she is about 2/3 of her adult weight. Let double destruction fall upon the enemy of my destiny, in Jesus name. How do i go about making sure they are warm enough and also when they should be out. I just brought home a 3month old Mini fainting goat 2 days ago. The other female, however, os much larger, has horns and is very aggressive. The barn raised goat is being mean to the nicer calmer sister raised goat. I have two young wethers about 2months and four months old. If there is an enclosed pasture next to the current wether pen where the goats can share a fenceline for a day, that might reduce the head butting and chasing a little bit initially, but there is no way to avoid it completely. This doesn’t usually last more than a day or two — if you keep them together. Can Maybe update you for learning purposes. Is my first doe being “protective” of me or is she just trying to show dominance? It is almost like she is stalking them. If that just happens for a couple of days every three weeks, it could just be that she is in heat. Yes the may no be a danger to the neighbors goats as well. It is not a good idea to put horned and not horned animals together for this reason. They usually get things worked out. So two of my goats got into some rat poison, the kind that makes the blood thin. Is she only doing this because she’s pregnant and will she stop once she has the babies or is my only solution to put a pool noodle on her horns so she doesn’t kill my male. I’m concerned about the recently wethered dad head butting too roughly or trying to get up to his old horny tricks, even though he’s no longer viable. If this kid’s mom will tolerate its presence, I’d put them together in a stall for a few days, then put them with the herd, ideally when you have another doe to reunite with everyone. The older kids are butting her around a bit. I can’t figure out why she has started doing this and I don’t know what to do about it. I didn’t know that I should have got two?? In fact, you might try using a drench syringe to see if she needs water now. But the male with horns also shows aggression towards us, my girls who are 6 and 3 are terrified of him because he head butts them all the time. If it’s inside and they could slam it against a wall, that could be bad while it is still so small. Getting another goat won’t stop the head butting because then they will still have to figure out who’s boss with the new goat. I want to know why is it that billy goats headbutt people in the rear end the minute you bend over? They only keep fighting as long as both are holding out hope that they can be the top goat. He could also get a doeling pregnant when she is way too small, and she would need a c-section. She was the goat-of-my-heart, my absolute favorite. Lots of people keep horned goats without problems, and dehorning or disbudding has its cons too, after all. Usually you hear about this when a doe rejects kids after disbudding, but I really don’t think it helps. However, I also want to use the meat for my family as well. I think the bigger goat is still recovering so is not as strong as he used to be. JACKSON, Wyo. We won't send you spam. This is one reason I do not recommend having horned goats. Having them outside where one can run away is also a good idea. Does rarely hurt each other. Both are only 7 months old. It is late to build another shed, the one we have is large enough to fit in 10 goats… What can we/should we do? Can they change? I have a wether and a doe, they came together as brother and sister. There is nothing you can do to make her stop acting like a goat. They see him getting your attention, and they usually warm up to you. I keep putting lots of hay all over but she keeps chasing the new goat and won’t leave her alone. The males could do serious damage and even kill a young kid with their horns because they are so much bigger right now. She tongue flaps, blubbers, tries to mount our weather and is acting just like a male in rut. What can I do? Hopefully they will get things worked out. If they are equally matched, they should work it out. You need to call around and find a vet that can do a c-section, if needed, and ask ahead of time what the cost will be. I’ve been enjoying the article and the comments but I’m not really a fan of all this apparent hate on horns, as I have a mostly horned herd and personally love the horns. Without knowing your set-up, it’s difficult to give specific suggestions. Olympic National Park wildlife biologist Patti Happe this week will assist in a necropsy of a goat that killed a hiker, as part of the investigation into what happened Saturday. The younger one needs to put weight on she’s skinny after having triplets. The most you can do is try to eliminate the cause of the butting. I got 3 baby goats from the same breeder, two are pure bred nigerian dwarf goats and one is a crossbred. Sometime if they share a fenceline initially they are more mellow when they are finally on the same side of the fence, but that depends on their individual personalities too. Most people don’t keep a buck with their does because he could wind up getting them pregnant way too often. My male and one of my females take turns head butting it. We got two goats 3 years ago and one of them came pregnant. Keep in mind that it’s normal for them to butt heads a little when they are first put together. So much! I meant abominable. I had two does. I should say that the smaller goat is also very friendly and will sit in my lap for cuddles so he is not all bad! Our pygmy seems to focus on the smallest Nigerian and will slam him against the fence/wall when he gets the chance (he head buts the pther one too but that one stands up for himself more). What should we do? Even if they share a fence line she will stand there and head butt the fence! Now she is fine and still the same size . So if we lock them all in at night, the shed is 12 x 9 feet….is that large enough to share with this new aggressive male? Unfortunately the new goat was dehorned when I got her so the other female goat who is going after the new one has the advantage. It is normal for moms to be protective of their babies. We have two feeding areas. It wasn’t aggressive but because the Nigerian has horns and the pygmy doesn’t he broke off his scur and there was a bit of blood. The problem is that kid doesn’t smell her kid — and Vicks does not make the kid smell like her kid either. Any suggestions on how to calm him down. Thank you I’m to goats and this is really helpfull my doe is bleeding under the horns a little bit. No horns on the guy, thank goodness!! They are our pets. However, neither of those goats had horns. Author: Message: Member: leslie1 Posted on Sunday, Mar 4, 2007 - 5:30 pm: Hi all, My neighbors horse killed a nanny goat that raised him from a foal. We didn’t have any issues until the baby goat reached a year or so. I’d this normal or is she being aggressive? I have one ND weather that has decided to start ramming into one of my smaller goats, and when we are harnessing the alpacas to take them out, he rams them in the legs also. Ideally the buck will have his own male friend — either another buck or a wether (castrated male) — because bucks and does should not be kept together all the time. Each doe had twins 4 days apart and I’m not sure when I should put everyone back together. So when they go to pasture they need to be old enough to withstand the occassional butt. I need help I have a male and female but the male keeps on head butting the female how do I make him stop. She is so adorable to the smaller doe and her kid. When starting a herd, you need to start with two does in one pen and then two males in another pen — either two bucks or a buck and a wether (castrated male). This is totally normal behavior. (I never say never, because very little is impossible.). The problem is the horns, not the gender. We recently got two bucks that have been together since birth. Hi! Some people refer to grain as “goat crack” because they will literally eat themselves to death. we have a shelter that can be closed up at night time to be away from predators and the elements of the cold but do i let the goats out throughout the days as it gets ariny ,snowy and windy here in canada where i am at. My black older one got aggressive and making noises. Chicken feed or bad alfalfa? Looking forward to your newsletter. Or should they be separated from the beginning? I’m assuming you’re not milking because they normally get grain on the milk stand anyway. If the girls are out of sight, they shouldn’t butt heads too much beyond the first day or two. Sorry if I am asking you the same question that you have answered. I think if you are making generalizations about fighting you need to distinguish goat types. If they are not, you may need to figure out a way to feed them separately … perhaps two separate hay feeders. I have two feeders, two water buckets, and multiple climbing areas so she can get away from him but I’m worried he’s going to hurt her. I have two 6 year old wethers who have always lived together. No goat should ever have unlimited grain. We had two weathers for a while now, about 1 year old. Are you saying they should be kept separate even when there aren’t any kids and when the does aren’t milking? Last January I was asked to take 2 bottle bucklings that we raised and wethered, not wanting to have any breedings once they were put with the girls. One of my new females is about 3 weeks old. I’m interested in your “placing Vick’s under the males nose” comment. I am afraid she is going to get hurt. She almost growls at the pregnant goat and won’t let her near the baby. It’s just what they do, but that shouldn’t last for long. I separated her when she kidded and for a while after. She is eating and drinking fine, no stool/worm issues, and her Famancha score is great. Recently the mother has been picking at all the other critters on the farm including the other goats. I surly do t want him to get nasty as he gets older because they are meant to him now. If they kid within 24 hours of each other, they might let the other doe’s kids nurse. If you bring in another goat, this is exactly what will happen with the new goat. Our goats have 3-sided shelters where they can always get out of the wind, rain, and snow. Horned goats should not be mixed with goats that don’t have horns because the horned goats realize they have a big advantage. At the moment if one of the kids sticks it’s nose into the other pen the doe will head butt the wall as if to scare it off. I’ve never heard of does hurting each other with head butting. If the buck has been with the does for months, then the doe is probably pregnant. Today I came out and the female doeling was severely hurt. Later, the Police (Government), showed-up with a criminal who testified and claimed that the 34-journalist was shot and killed while stealing a goat. I have two Nigerian wethers – brothers who will be 2 in September.
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